tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post1853257607940720616..comments2024-03-27T11:43:33.889-04:00Comments on Stapleton Kearns: Some thoughts on eye control, eye path tracking and designStapleton Kearnshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-85277819149935291242010-12-22T11:03:45.482-05:002010-12-22T11:03:45.482-05:00Sorry--removed duplicate posts.Sorry--removed duplicate posts.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-91447363202545148562010-12-22T10:57:01.270-05:002010-12-22T10:57:01.270-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-67618229473176478282010-12-22T10:53:27.248-05:002010-12-22T10:53:27.248-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-16553918828482231962010-12-22T10:47:37.396-05:002010-12-22T10:47:37.396-05:00Great topic, Stape, thanks--and fantastic comments...Great topic, Stape, thanks--and fantastic comments.<br /><br />As Paul F suggests, eyetracking discoveries don’t negate traditional compositional theory. Everything we learned about the Golden Section and leading lines and the Steelyard Balance still is useful for making a pleasing picture. <br /><br />What the evidence questions are categorical statements about how the eye moves in a picture, especially statements that suggest one can control the eye’s movement along contours, or that the eye will certainly enter or exit a picture in a particular way.<br /><br />Without eyetracking analysis it’s hard to know how we really look at pictures. People are notoriously inaccurate in self-reporting their eye movements, and that may be one of the reasons so many unscientific notions have developed.<br /><br />There’s still a lot to be learned by scientists in this area. I think what’s missing in the eye tracking pathways is a deep understanding of the role played by peripheral vision. <br /><br />I would have a hunch, for example, that artists are uniquely skilled at shifting from spot-focus perception to peripheral perception consciously, without significantly moving the position of the fovea. But to my knowledge, this hasn’t been tested or proven yet.<br /><br />Some of the most exciting studies were done by the Russian scientist Yarbus way back in the 1960s. For those who don’t know these studies, Yarbus showed that viewers look at paintings very differently depending on what leading questions they are presented with at the outset. This has important implications for people writing captions to go with pictures in books or in museums.<br /><br />I agree with John D. W. that the heatmap information is probably even more useful to us than individual scanpaths. There are other way to crunch the data, to show for example, what most people look at first, second, and so on.<br /><br />Regarding Susan’s question, yes, artists do see differently, and I reported on this in another blog post: <a href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2009/11/do-artists-see-differently.html" rel="nofollow">"Do Artists See Differently?"</a>James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-1045092649208230662010-12-21T22:36:41.089-05:002010-12-21T22:36:41.089-05:00John;
Like the bedbug has no wings, but it gets t...John;<br /> Like the bedbug has no wings, but it gets there just the same.<br />...............StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-69897083709927242602010-12-21T22:35:29.166-05:002010-12-21T22:35:29.166-05:00Lucy:
Thanks. it is also subzero.
..........StapeLucy:<br />Thanks. it is also subzero.<br />..........StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-68276653397267276552010-12-21T22:34:10.027-05:002010-12-21T22:34:10.027-05:00Robbie:
If design weren’t important we would not r...Robbie:<br />If design weren’t important we would not recognize it in nature, or compose it in a camera’s view-finder, or impose it on a painting.<br />That is a good argument. If it didn't matter it wouldn't be so obvious when it was done badly.<br />................StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-27251940399861618702010-12-21T22:33:03.751-05:002010-12-21T22:33:03.751-05:00Mike;
Perhaps but there are lots of badly designed...Mike;<br />Perhaps but there are lots of badly designed pictures out thewre. I is possible to make them.<br />................StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-24735881449268236602010-12-21T22:31:07.473-05:002010-12-21T22:31:07.473-05:00Robwood;
I will check that out. Thanks
..............Robwood;<br />I will check that out. Thanks<br />..............StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-37991389909482555392010-12-21T22:30:20.610-05:002010-12-21T22:30:20.610-05:00Rubysboy;
So perhaps it's not the eye, literal...Rubysboy;<br />So perhaps it's not the eye, literally, that painters lead, but the visual system that makes sense of these snapshots. I like that!<br />..................StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-60731371660825670842010-12-21T22:29:07.582-05:002010-12-21T22:29:07.582-05:00Mike;
I can draw plans for some really weak design...Mike;<br />I can draw plans for some really weak designs that do send the eye out of the canvas, at least I used to think so!<br />................StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-86310973199001844242010-12-21T22:27:58.875-05:002010-12-21T22:27:58.875-05:00Antonin;
Design is poetic, transcription literal.
...Antonin;<br />Design is poetic, transcription literal.<br />.............StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-35275050818759004972010-12-21T22:27:05.203-05:002010-12-21T22:27:05.203-05:00Susan;
That too is an interesting question.
.........Susan;<br />That too is an interesting question.<br />...........StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-40432653634752408982010-12-21T22:26:24.642-05:002010-12-21T22:26:24.642-05:00Plein air gal;
The lay of the land search could ex...Plein air gal;<br />The lay of the land search could explain a lot too.<br />...............StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-86301401076822890912010-12-21T22:25:23.768-05:002010-12-21T22:25:23.768-05:00Paul;
Thanks for that. I err towards the geometric...Paul;<br />Thanks for that. I err towards the geometric, I am not sure why but it makes sense to me.<br />................StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-41491401195922792582010-12-21T22:24:03.146-05:002010-12-21T22:24:03.146-05:00Marian;
More interesting still to use a girl with ...Marian;<br />More interesting still to use a girl with no head at all, and see if any man noticed.<br />...............StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-52085240451000031462010-12-21T22:22:51.441-05:002010-12-21T22:22:51.441-05:00Ayal;
I saw that girl today at the mall, and in th...Ayal;<br />I saw that girl today at the mall, and in the grocery store!<br />..............StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-87613178697107997932010-12-21T22:21:50.977-05:002010-12-21T22:21:50.977-05:00Michael;
Dow hung out in Ipswich Mass, that's ...Michael;<br />Dow hung out in Ipswich Mass, that's a place I know well. Some of his painting locations are there.<br />................StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-87458030719209906212010-12-21T22:20:37.814-05:002010-12-21T22:20:37.814-05:00Jon;
Agreed the problem remains the same doesn'...Jon;<br />Agreed the problem remains the same doesn't it?<br />................StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-65471460467986683212010-12-21T22:19:48.655-05:002010-12-21T22:19:48.655-05:00philip:
The abstract composition is often just sen...philip:<br />The abstract composition is often just sensed by the viewer. It acts like a background rhythm, not unlike an drum beat, energizing and organizing the painting.<br />Love that! (Jung is a weenie though)<br />..............StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-21368466868807778182010-12-21T22:18:24.155-05:002010-12-21T22:18:24.155-05:00Deb;
That is a good question.
..................St...Deb;<br />That is a good question.<br />..................StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-16766330842125554222010-12-21T22:17:39.358-05:002010-12-21T22:17:39.358-05:00Andreas;
They are interesting on their own to me.
...Andreas;<br />They are interesting on their own to me.<br />...........StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-36693439635127075662010-12-21T22:16:55.100-05:002010-12-21T22:16:55.100-05:00sharprm;
I do NOT!
.................Stapesharprm;<br />I do NOT!<br />.................StapeStapleton Kearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226409516935208164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-42480752914079929642010-12-21T17:39:31.046-05:002010-12-21T17:39:31.046-05:00I'm very much in line with Mike Thompson on th...I'm very much in line with Mike Thompson on this topic. I think the most telling post in James' series is the third where the scanpaths of multiple viewers were agglomerated to clearly display the hotspots. In these, I think we see the abstract design that James imposed early in the proces or at least glimmers of it.<br /><br />Yes, I think it is interesting that statistically speaking, the viewers fixated on similar regions and appear to move between these regions. The order of movement is not identical but you can clearly see statisical "highways" of movement between the hotspots. Perhaps we are not designing for the individual experience but more for the statiscal experience of a multitude of viewers. <br /><br />I would also find it fascinating to see this same experiement carried out over longer durations. I suspect that the early time frame eye jumps are the act of establishing the order, finding those important regions. My hyposthesis is that as viewing time increases the viewer's eye will calm and flow much more seamlessly between the hotspots in a fashion more akin to what was planned in the abstract design.John D. Wooldridgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13797002528703804726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5682081471599286551.post-37484313655982578222010-12-21T17:21:04.275-05:002010-12-21T17:21:04.275-05:00Speaking of beauty, I don't care how my eye is...Speaking of beauty, I don't care how my eye is scanning it, but the snow nocturne is sublime!<br /><br />The study fails to disclose how the viewer FEELS when looking at the painting. However the eye scans it may have nothing to do with how the design of a painting impacts visual pleasure.Lucyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08862300369187414150noreply@blogger.com